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I do recall TSN is a canadian network.
You are saying you would rather see Russia vs Czech Rep. instead of canada?
Who would buy commercial time for that game? Not me, and certainly nt ford.
i can't understand you folks. we get all of the canada games.
Guess people only jump on the band wagon on the weekend.
oh well, go team canada..I am behind you!!
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| 03-21-12 07:50AM |
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Does anyone else find it funny that all of the games Canada has lost and the one it should have lost has been played at night?
does that have to do with the teams they played or do they really not like playing at night
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Does anyone else find it funny that all of the games Canada has lost and the one it should have lost has been played at night?
Canada seemed to do ok the first two nights.
Does anyone find it funny that teams playing their third game in under 24 hours are currently 7-1? (Sweden commented after their first back-to-back games the challenge in the short turn-around time.)
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| 03-21-12 09:05AM |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by nelski
 First step - qualify. Then regroup and keep doin' what you're doin'. Some solid planning has gone into this. Who is the mastermind!? WTG Team. [/QUOTE
I agree- great prep this year bringing them to Canada early on for tutelage.
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| 03-21-12 09:34AM |
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The Koreans are not mechanized automatons. They've adapted to Canadian style joy and emotion - witness their big win over Sweden. However, they are well-trained and seem to have good strategy. Nedohin seems to be an emotional basket-case at times even though her shot-making skills are very high - higher than I thought they would be!
And watch out for the AMericans. After playing dead for the first couple days, they're on a roll. Maybe we wrote them out of the playoff script a bit too early???
The Americans and every team with 4 losses really still needs a lot of help. They need either Korea to lose 3 of their last 4 games..which probably will not happen and they need one of Canada, Sweden or Switzerland to go 2-2 in their next 4 games. Not really impossible however the top 4 teams with the exception of Korea have all played each other already so it comes down to the other teams making things happen for themselves.
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| 03-21-12 09:42AM |
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Schedules of the top 4:
Switzerland - Italy, Denmark, Korea, Russia
Sweden - China, Scotland, United states, Denmark
Canada - Korea, Germany, Italy, Scotland
Korea - Canada, Germany, Switzerland, Russia
If there is a way in for the 4 loss teams Sweden is probably the best shot as they have, on paper anyway the hardest finish.
I think Switzerland should get through that with just the one loss.
Canada could lose two of those games but if they get past Korea they will be fine.
Korea should be able to go 2-2 at the worst with the schedule they have left. Unless they have a melt down I don't think they will hit four losses
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| 03-21-12 09:54AM |
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At this point five losses looks out. Those teams would need a ton of help to get back in. China will have some serious thinking to do after this event. They are so much more inconsistent then they used to be even just a couple years ago
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Didn't see last nights game against Sweden, but noticed that the Swedes put a pair of threes on the board. Was it poor play/strategy on Canadas part, or just great play by Sweden. Heather would have us believe that the game against Korea is "just another game" no more important than any other, see Al Cameron article on the CZ home page. It goes without saying (but I will anyways  ), given the way the Koreans have played, Canada is going to have to play a lot bettter than they have so far.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by nelski
Go Korea First step - qualify. Some solid planning has gone into this. . [/QUOTE
I agree- great prep this year bringing them to Canada early on for tutelage.
I noticed as least two invitational events in Asia this year where a couple of European teams and North American teams went east for an event. I saw that the Danes took the opportunity, that's what caught my attention. And there were multiple teams from China, Japan, Korea. So not all training happened here. Times are changing.
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Didn't see last nights game against Sweden, but noticed that the Swedes put a pair of threes on the board. Was it poor play/strategy on Canadas part, or just great play by Sweden. Heather would have us believe that the game against Korea is "just another game" no more important than any other, see Al Cameron article here: http://blogs.calgaryherald.com/2012...-it-kind-of-is/
Given the way the Koreans have played, Canada is going to have to play a lot bettter than they have so far.
The first three was a product of two amazing shots by the Swedish last rock thrower Maria Prytz. If you can you should watch the third end on demand. The two shots she made through a port were very nice, especially the second one for three.
The second three was a bit of bad luck for Canada. Maria made a fantastic run back with her first to leave Sweden sitting two. Heather tried a run back of her own but it turned out the worst possible way for her. She made contact with both Swedish counters but not enough to push either one out completely and then the rock she ran back rolled right into the hole and Sweden was able to hit for a second three.
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| 03-21-12 10:33AM |
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The first three was a product of two amazing shots by the Swedish last rock thrower Maria Prytz. If you can you should watch the third end on demand. The two shots she made through a port were very nice, especially the second one for three.
The second three was a bit of bad luck for Canada. Maria made a fantastic run back with her first to leave Sweden sitting two. Heather tried a run back of her own but it turned out the worst possible way for her. She made contact with both Swedish counters but not enough to push either one out completely and then the rock she ran back rolled right into the hole and Sweden was able to hit for a second three.
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Didn't see last nights game against Sweden, but noticed that the Swedes put a pair of threes on the board. Was it poor play/strategy on Canadas part, or just great play by Sweden. Heather would have us believe that the game against Korea is "just another game" no more important than any other, see Al Cameron article on the CZ home page. It goes without saying (but I will anyways ), given the way the Koreans have played, Canada is going to have to play a lot bettter than they have so far.
Sweden is one, if not the most offensive team in this thing. When they have hammer, they completely ignore the opp rocks and go for it, which is nice to see. Like I was saying before… they may not look like the best team, but they’re playing the best, along with Korea right now.
The two 3-enders were nice but they were made a lot easier by Heather’s less than stellar strategy. The first 3, Heather left herself two freezes to get out of the end… and she is, at the most, one foot heavy on both freezes and the SWE skipper makes two real good shots to score three.
The second three would never have been a 3 if Heather doesn’t completely ignore the danger of giving up a big end without hammer… she ignores the SWE shot rock on the wing, which if she freezes, the most she’s giving up is a deuce. She draws around a centre guard and the SWE skip makes a 9-foot runback perfect to sit two. Yeah, Heather’s last rock runback didn’t go good, in fact turned out real bad, but it should never have got to that if she considers the possibility of the opponent actually making their shot.
The difference maker in the game was at third… as the SWE third clearly was the better player when it counted. At the 5th-end break, Beth was barely at 50, and by then the score was already 6-3. Then again, if Heather makes a supposed simple hit and stay for one in the 8th to keep the game within reach, the outcome might have been diff.
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Well by eve's own admission up until the game against Switzerland she was having a lot of trouble figuring out the stones
and Yikes, Sweden just slapped China with a five in the first end
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| 03-21-12 11:38AM |
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Like many Canadian thirds do in international competition, Beth Iskiw made the wrong sweep call on Heather's attempted raise back and the result was a three for Sweden (great shots by the flame-thrower Pyrtz to do it)
I can't totally blame Iskiw as I've seen other canadian thirds like Kaitlynn Lawes, Cathy O and Jeanna Schraeder goof up badly on the tee. Its a hard job, to be sure!
Shoulda… woulda… coulda. I don’t necessarily blame the 3rd, as it is usually the skip that makes the situ critical. When the 3rd makes the bad call with the game on the line, then the 3rd looks bad, but the good skips don’t leave the game to chance, they make the critical calls and make the game easier for their trusty third. Beth didn’t call the line perfect and the rock overcurled… but she also didn’t know the exact wt that Heather threw and the curl had to be judged to the ¼ inch for the shot to be made.
I find that skips who make the game really tough for their third all of the time, usually don’t win in the end. The skip is throwing last rock for a reason… to make the tough shots and real finesse shots. Yeah, a good third will set up the skip and have to make some tough shots… but not too many and not real game savers or game winners. It’s a bonus when the 3rd wins you the game.
Watch the Swiss… Ott doesn’t leave the game in anyone else’s hands, as she sets it up entirely for herself to win or lose. Yeah, sometimes she loses, but you won’t be saying the third cost them the game, it will Mirjam herself.
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Like many Canadian thirds do in international competition, Beth Iskiw made the wrong sweep call on Heather's attempted raise back and the result was a three for Sweden (great shots by the flame-thrower Pyrtz to do it)
I can't totally blame Iskiw as I've seen other canadian thirds like Kaitlynn Lawes, Cathy O and Jeanna Schraeder goof up badly on the tee. Its a hard job, to be sure!
Truth be told, while they've won games, you get the sense they're just riding on that thin edge close to losing.
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Korea is very VERY impressive so far. This is looking eerily like last night against Sweden.
It's still early in the game but Canada just doesn't seem to have it together. They just don't manage the house well enough (to generate BIG ends themselves or prevent big ends) and/or lack precision in general. I hope they figure things out fast as playoffs are looming. If they continue playing this frantic, scrappy and mentally tiring style of play, I don't see them even medaling despite making the play offs. But then again, stranger things have happened...won't write them off quite yet.
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I haven't seen any postings from our China expert - China Supporter. He/She always has a good understanding of what is going on.
CS - what is happening with Betty and the gang 
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and sweden gives a steal of 2
5-4 after 4
awful strategy. I dont care how offensive you are play some hits!
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Is it just me, or is Canada giving up an inordinate number of 3+ enders the last few matches?
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| 03-21-12 12:43PM |
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I haven't seen any postings from our China expert - China Supporter. He/She always has a good understanding of what is going on.
CS - what is happening with Betty and the gang
The game last night hurt a lot and you could see the pain on Bingyu's face after she came up about a foot short on her last draw. She seems to be struggling with confidence and that happens on certain ice... they're close but just need a right call or great shot to put them over the top. They did play well last night but Korea just didn't cave-in and made almost everything.
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Is it just me, or is Canada giving up an inordinate number of 3+ enders the last few matches?
Yup! Being bitten when they try to put rocks in play. Just lacking precision but... the other teams have been playing well.
Canada now has a small lead on Korea, but I wonder if Korea will come back like they've done so many times now against other teams.
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Well after an insane start to the game between Sweden and China things have calmed down
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| 03-21-12 01:59PM |
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Huge wins for Sweden and Switzerland to keep some seperation from the pack.
Massive disappointment for China I am sure. This is really going to hurt China's olympic qualification chances.
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